Phoenix Hunter at anchor in James Bay, Prevost Island, July 2013 |
2013 is now behind and we have
completed our first cruising year with our new to us boat, Phoenix Hunter. It has been a wonderful time and we have no
regrets. As a couple, we are new to
boating. I had a quarter share in a 28'
sail boat that I sold out of 20 years ago but I really must consider myself a
rookie in all of this. Perhaps my reflections may be helpful for
wannabe owners.
The journey to where we are now
has been an interesting one with many turns.
In February 2011 I was facing retiring within 2 years. My wife Pam said to me "What ARE
you going to do with yourself". I
had made plans all throughout my life, including preparing myself financially
for retirement but I had no concrete plans once I got there. The discussion was a bit heated but I said
what I really wanted to do was see the British Columbia coast...really see
it. I had put a lot of time on commercial
fishing boats but hadn't operated any larger vessels on my own. But to see the BC coast, you have to do it by
boat. There is so little access to it by
car. But what boat?
So I started to look. I felt that our plans would require us to be
at sea for about 2 months at a time. I wanted something
small enough that I could comfortably operate it myself but fuel efficient,
and at a decent price. It
had to be self-sufficient. I started
looking and thought the CHB 34 was a good option. I got on a couple of these and liked what I
saw. I thought so anyways. We probably
got onto 5-6 of these boats. Many had a musty smell. Pam got on one and
said "too small...and don't even think that I will put up with those
odors!"
Then we got on a Performance
Trawler 38. There was a nice one for
sale in Olympia. It was on the market for
over 18 months and we watched the listing price drop from $138 k to less than
$89 k. We were saddened we didn't pull
the trigger but we really weren't ready to buy.
We went to several boat shows and
started to refine our search a bit more.
We decided we liked the Europa or Sedan style. We liked the forward master
stateroom and an aft cockpit that would be good for getting the dog on an off
the boat. The walk around side decks
were nice. We thought we could make one of these work. The Ocean Alexander Europa 40 looked like a
good idea but many of these as well as the Grand Banks vessels were twin engines.
In the
meantime we wanted to get some experience. Pam had no experience on the
water at all but we did know she didn't get seasick and she did like being on
nice beaches in remote areas. We felt
she could easily get used to the Trawler lifestyle.
We took Power Squadron together and Pam got the 2nd highest mark in the
class, with her husband trailing afterwards. In the meantime I did some boat
handling with a friend who was commercial fisherman, practicing docking
etc. Pam did a 2 day "women and
boating course". Then we did a
couple of bareboat charters to Desolation Sound. From all of this we found we really enjoyed
the whole experience of exploring. One
of these boats was a Grand Mariner with teak decks. It was a nice boat but it did have a slight
musty odor and a leaking side deck (discovered one rainy day).
My commercial fishermen friends
had convinced me that 2 engines meant twice the expense and twice the
hassle. Better to carefully maintain one
engine. A surprisingly large number of
trawlers were overpowered for what we wanted to do. Traveling at 2 GPH was what I wanted to do.
When you go to boat shows, you
get on boats that you wouldn't ordinarily get on otherwise. Really nice boats! Ones you cannot possibly afford but think you
can! Pam says it’s like the show
"Say Yes to the Dress!" Never
try on a wedding dress you can't afford!
But in the process I came to the conclusion that I really wanted a pilothouse. If I got one of those, I could pretend I was
a commercial fisherman. We looked at
North Pacific Trawlers which looked really nice, as did the Pacific Trawler
40. The relatively new North Pacific
Trawler was more expensive that what we could afford. We missed out on a really good opportunity on a
Pacific Trawler 40, but again, we weren't quite ready to buy. At the boat shows I'd stepped on some Kadey
Krogens but these were larger vessels, too expensive and more boat than realistic for us.
Then I got on a KK42, November
2012. It was then that I really thought
I'd found the boat I wanted. It really was a love at first sight thing. The boat layout and size I felt was perfect. What’s
more, I knew Pam would feel the same way.
She had just had ankle surgery and was unable to get on any boats for
several months. But these boats were
more expensive than I felt we could afford. The listings in the Washington were
for $235k plus. It costs Canadians
almost 25% more to bring an Asian made boat across the border. That would have been a financial hardship.
Then we found one, a private
sale, a 1985 model listed for $210K. It
was beautiful…we felt. Pam really
loved the boat. It was everything we
wanted. They had done a substantial
refit, with a rebuilt helm, partial rewiring, new fuel tanks updated appliances and heads. It showed really nice. We discovered
there had been a failed offer. The
surveyor at the time had identified potential problems with the procedure where
the teak decks had been removed. Also there was some limited blistering on the hull. The owner decided to do a blister peel and
epoxy barrier coat. We pulled the
trigger and made an offer and after dickering, had an agreement to
purchase. We proceeded with a sea trial,
survey, mechanical inspection and haul out.
My surveyor was quite negative: “Nothing
good can come from those decks”. In
addition, there was a conspicuous crack on the faring around the post where the
rudder shaft passes through the hull , visible on haul-out. He tried to convince me to consider something
much newer or else something much cheaper.
“You can get all kinds of boats for far less than that. You’ll never get your money out of this boat
when you sell it. We tried to
renegotiate with the owner but they balked.
We backed out of it. We’d just
spent $2,000 on the process and were very, very disappointed.
I still liked the KK 42 very much. I have a former colleague in the fishing
business who is a journey man shipwright…not a wannabe but the real deal. Murray is well known in commercial fishing
circles. He’s one of those guys who does
corking, replacing planks and all that stuff.
Also he has done extensive work on fiberglass boats. As he told me, you can’t get far in this
industry without knowledge of working with fiberglass. We discussed the KK42 and he confessed he didn't know the boat. Murray had just come back
to town after a winter in Palm Springs. So
I asked him if he could accompany me to look at one for sale in Anacortes. Murray went through the boat and pointed out things
that concerned him with this particular boat, a 1988 model. This included some delamination around the
salon window (what had caused that) and as wavy pattern on external
fiberglass/gelcoat on the pilothouse and salon area. He indicated that it would cost upwards of
about $20,000 to make good, perhaps more if work revealed more issues.
A number of weeks went by since
my trip with Murray when the owners of the KK42 on which we had previously had
an offer contacted us to say they had reduced the price. Were we interested? I said we were but I wanted to take my
shipwright down to look at her. Murray
and I went to look at the boat. Prior to
coming aboard I briefed Murray about the concerns with the deck and the rudder
problem. We were onboard for an hour and
Murray checked the boat throughout looking for evidence of water penetration
into the decks. I learned a lot from Murray that day. We thanked the owners
and left. When we got into the car
Murray had two words for me “BUY IT”. If I liked KK42’s, this one was far
superior to the 1988 sister ship that we went to previously. Some really nice work had been done on her with some Cadillac features. He said I’d have to put in a considerable amount of money into the 1988
vessel to bring it to the same standard.
The decks were fine—not how he would have dealt with them but there was
no water ingress. The rudder repair
might cost $2-5,000, worst case scenario, perhaps another $5,000 if the decks needed work.
We made an offer for the vessel as is which was accepted.
I learned a lot through this
process: how to buy a boat. The process was painful to be sure, and it
takes a lot of time. Most importantly it’s
important not just to bring a surveyor aboard but also those knowledgeable of the procedures for doing any necessary work. Often they have a better feel for what are real issues than surveyors do. My colleague the
shipwright gave me a peace of mind about the boat we were interested in—the surveyor
scared the heck out of me! A friend has said we bought our second boat first. I hadn't thought about that but rather than be lured in with the first boat or boats we saw, be remained patient and careful and within reason that paid off in the end. Often times people buy boats and then change their minds several years later, either upsizing, downsizing, or just plain selling the boat after a short period of time.
We have owned Phoenix Hunter for
7 months now and have put 165 hours on the engine and 6 weeks worth of trips. In addition, She's our waterfront apartment in Steveston and we have spent quite a few nights on her at the dock. Except for a few very small
problems and some operator error, everything has gone well. The rudder repair went very well., Very important though is we have no
regrets. Initially I had one of
those “have we got ourselves over our
heads?” moments. But as we reflect on our boat, we really must say there is nothing lacking or anything more than we wanted.
Great first post!
ReplyDeleteHi Jim, thank you for just a great post. My wife Eltie and I are beginning the process of transitioning from being sailors all of our adult lives to our "last" boat, (we're 70) going to the "dark side"...power. We have much like you searched for a trawler design that would fit our needs for cruising our beautiful B.C. as well as having offshore capabilities. (VI West Coast) I'm comfortable with a reliable single engine since we've always had them in our sailboats. I recently completed a 9,000 nm journey to Mexico, Hawaii and return, fulfilling a life long dream to have an offshore experience under sail, (and a 150 hours under power from our reliable Yanmar). After much research like yourselves( GB's, DeFevers, CHB's, etc.)we have now decided on searching for a pre-owned 80's-90's Kadey Krogen that would fit our budget (tough these days with the CAD!). My wife tired of squeezing into so-called double's on our sailboats insists on an Island Queen, a functional galley, washer/dryer, modest accommodation for guests or grand children. I wanted a pilot house, single engine, full keel, reliable engine and quality construction. So that's where we're at. We'll be selling our beloved cutter Papillon II and beginning the process. Hopefully we'll run into you in the next year or two. Wish us luck.
ReplyDeleteBy the way, does your colleague offer consulting services as we zero in on our KK42? We'll need all the help we can muster. Not just a surveyor.
Best Regards,
David & Eltie Boyer
Woodlands, Indian Arm
North Vancouver, B.C.
davidrossboyer@gmail.com